See & Hear the Comments on the Draft Stream Rules

The Lake George Park Commission has posted the video from their February 24, 2009 public meeting where public comments were solicited on their proposed stream regulations.

The first video is from February 24, 2009, the first 11:00 AM session. It is 1 hour and 34 minutes.

If you don’t have the time to watch, here are the most salient parts from the first video. The public comments start at 22:30 into this video. Out of the 18 speakers featured in part one, 13 speakers were opposed or had concerns regarding the stream regulations, 5 spoke in favor of them.




















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At 29:23 into the first video, there is an excellent speaker from the Lake George Property Owners Group who speaks about being at all the preliminary meetings where the rules were originally discussed before being drafted (and which went on for two years) and that the proposed rules now being considered bear no resemblance to what was ever discussed at those preliminary meetings.

At 1:30:00 into the first video, the speaker tells how he believes one of the most radical environmental groups active in the basin, the Fund for Lake George, is influencing these rules behind the scenes, through two appointees to the LGPC who were members of the Fund before they were appointed. This apparent conflict of interest is something everyone needs to know about.

If you watch these two speakers you will begin to see how the process is not a fair process but how the environmental organizations are “stacking the deck” in favor of these very extreme regulations.

The second video is from February 24, 2009, the second 11:00 AM session. It is 2 hours and 19 minutes.

Once again, we’ve tried to summarize the most important parts from this video also. Out of the 26 speakers featured in part two, 20 speakers opposed or had concerns regarding the stream regulations, 5 spoke in favor of them and 1 was neutral.




















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The DEC representative leaves before this video even starts. So you can thank DEC Commissioner Grannis, for at least being up front, and not caring what people think.

At 1:00 into the second video, Kathy Simms, the Bolton Town Supervisor, speaks about all the comments she has received opposing the stream rules.

At 5:37 into the second video, Joe Rota, the former Dresden Town Supervisor who now lives in Putnam, tells why he is against the proposed rules.

At 42:00 and again at 1:38:45, we hear two speakers tell horror stories about road salt. Road salt isn’t even covered by these proposed rules.

At 1:10:15, John LaPointe, Town Supervisor of Putnam, states that the people he represents are “vehemently opposed” to the rules as drafted.

At 1:19:02, Mark Schachner, representing the Town of Lake George, states that the rule making procedure is “woefully, legally deficient.”

At approximately 1:57:00 a local logger talks about his love for the environment but also why he is opposing these rules.

The third video is from February 24, 2009, the evening session. It is 1 hour and 30 minutes.

The DEC representative never returns to the evening session.

The public comments start at 20:50 into this video. Michael White repeats his PowerPoint presentation from the first session. Out of the 18 speakers featured in part three, 17 speakers opposed or had concerns regarding the stream regulations, 1 spoke in favor of them.




















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Huletts resident, Pat Peterson speaks at 45:36.

Peter Bauer, Executive Director for the Fund for Lake George, says in 1:25:20 – 1:25:33 that it’s “high time to deal with” golf courses. Listen for yourself.

Sadly, this is commentary and analysis you won’t see on other media outlets. But you can see it here on the Huletts Current. Don’t take our word, watch for yourself.

If you watch the whole thing, you’ll learn that 2 commissioners didn’t attend, the DEC representative left after the morning session and 2 commissioners had ties to the Fund for Lake George. While we won’t call this hearing a farce yet, after all three sessions: 50 people spoke out in opposition or had concerns regarding the draft rules, 11 were in favor and 1 was neutral. Let’s see how these public comments are incorporated. You saw it here, even if you weren’t there.

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More People Using State Parks

CBS 6 has a story that reservations are up in state parks.

Road Salt is Bad for Your Health

The Albany Times Union has a story about how road salt can be damaging, not only to the environment, but to your health also.

This is Like Asking the Whitehall School District to Let Us Out

The Post Star reports, that some folks in Queensbury and Fort Ann are so fed up with paying high taxes, they want to have their own village.

A Wind Tower Coming to a Hill Near You?

The Post Star talks about an idea that may make some sense for the Adirondacks. We certainly have wind.

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Flood Watch for Washington County

The National Weather Service has issued a flood watch for an area which includes Huletts.

Bears Be Gone

WNBZ Radio has an interesting story on the DEC’s release of how many bears were taken by hunters in the state this past year.

“Harvest increased in the Adirondacks as well, with a total of 582 bears taken in 2008 compared to 544 taken in 2007 and 318 taken in 2006.”

Snowmobiler Claims DEC Violated Rights

This is an interesting story from the Press Republican that has broad implications on a number of different levels.

It demonstrates that the Department of Environmental Conservation treats some enthusiasts such as snowmobilers, and four-wheelers differently than cross-country skiers, hikers and horse riders. In other words, the DEC seems to have a politically correct list of activities that they like to encourage and another list of activities that they see as politically incorrect.

It has ramifications for abandoned roads throughout the forest preserve which the DEC has tried to manage in the past but which a court has now ruled they don’t control.

It will be a very interesting civil rights case. It’s good to see the Press Republican cover this story.

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White Nose Disease Decimating the Bat Population

North Country Public Radio
has a story about the disease that is wiping out the bat population across the northeast. This disease known as “white nose disease” has recently appeared in the last two years and scientists don’t know much about it.

Ski Tax Proposed by Paterson

When will the taxes end? The Governor is now proposing a ski tax. Everywhere taxes are high, businesses close. Everywhere taxes are low, businesses thrive. What will our Governor think of next?

Lake George Winter Carnival Closes

The Post Star has an article on this years Lake George winter carnival being a hugh success.

New Va. Program Conserves Land

I try to read various publications because I find things that are interesting and that spur my thoughts. I picked up a copy of the Bay Journal recently, which is a publication published by a number of environmental organizations dedicated to preserving the Chesapeake Bay.

There was an interesting article, which I have since found on the web and linked to here, that talked about a novel idea that the state of Virginia is using to conserve land.

Virginia has started a program where private property owners can sell or get state income tax credits for their development rights either from the government (Purchase of Development Rights – PDR) or transfer their development rights to a private developer to use in another jurisdiction (Transfer of Development Rights – TDR).

The way a TDR works is that there are sending and receiving areas. A simple way to think about this is; say you owned land in the Adirondacks, you could sell your development rights to a developer in NY City.

What the state of Virginia is finding is that the program works and that land is being conserved. This is how the article concludes:

“If local governments are serious about planning for where development occurs and protecting forest and agricultural lands, they will consider these powerful and influential planning tools. With them, localities can alter the pattern of inefficient growth, while creating a balance between development and conservation in Virginia.”

If only NY state and the Lake George Park Commission would try an idea like this.

Our Plan – A Better Way

It is estimated that the stream rules being considered by the Lake George Park Commission will affect over 5,500 acres in the Lake George basin. If 5,500 acres become basically unusable, this will have a terrible effect on the tax base.

While we must do more to protect Lake George, the last thing we need to do is take this amount of acreage off the tax rolls. Our opinion is that there is a better way. Below is a comprehensive strategy that would work to improve water quality without burdening private property owners with more regulations for some and higher taxes for all.

1.) Ever consider why we get algae blooms in the Spring?

Think for yourself: what is more damaging to the clarity of the lake? Someone building a house with a silt screen ringing it while also dealing with the regulations of the APA, DEC, LGPC and the county OR every bit of salt applied during the winter months running unfettered into culverts which public highway crews cut intentionally into streams that feed Lake George?

If you’re in doubt, this is the single greatest reason why we have algae blooms in the Spring. If you’re on any of the local roads right now, they’re white from road salt. The phosphorous is what makes algae grow. The Adirondack Council recently released a report on the damaging effects of road salt. To read it, click here. (Pages 19-22 are about Lake George)

Part 1 of our plan would be a comprehensive strategy that would educate highways crews and seek to cut the application of road salt by 50% within the basin within 3 years. Taxpayers and municipalities would both win because one of the greatest winter expenses is road salt. Private homeowners should be encouraged to use products like sand or MagicSalt, a new product which we featured previously. From now on, when any environmental group informs us they’re meeting with a highway department, we’ll let you know.

This plan will need the support of all local governments. These same towns and villages are seething right now because they are not being listened to and new rules are being written by environmentalists without any regard to their input. We would guess that if the the proposed rules are enacted in their present form, you can forget about any cooperation from the Towns on the road salt issue for the foreseeeable future.

2.) You need gas for your boat but please don’t overfill.

Almost all boats on the lake have overflow valves where, if the gas tank is filled too high, gas will spill out into the water. When I was growing up, I pumped gas. It was shocking the number of people who wanted to pump their own gas and then would overfill their tanks and have gas spill into the lake. We need to undertake a major public awareness campaign to educate consumers and gas pump operators not to overfill. The Lake George Association just started a campaign like this to educate ice-fisherman to take their garbage off the Lake. While we all need gas to be available on the lake, no one should overfill and not a drop should be spilled in the lake. Education on this issue would go a long way.

3.) New technologies need to be encouraged.

There are many new technologies that are being implemented across the country that, if used in new construction or existing homes, would really help the environment. We’re not talking about low-flush toilets here. We’re talking about cool technologies that have the power to lead us in a green revolution. Storm water infiltrators that return storm water that hits impervious areas to the ground below the impervious area are being used in many highway projects today. Air infiltrators that change the microbial composition of drain fields and increase their longevity are being studied in other states. Lake George should be a leader in these technologies. We shouldn’t have our head buried in the proverbial sand.

4.) Incentives Work – Why Not Try Some

Incentives have been shown to work in professional planning. Incentives should be tried before any person’s property rights are taken away. Some possible ideas include: a “credit” accruing for future stream corridor development in return for removing an existing structure or impervious area, and a “credit” for preserving stream corridors against dock fees that the LGPC collects. The LGPC could also inform local taxing jurisdictions and recommend a lower assessment for those property owners who preserve sensitive tracks. People do things for a reason. If you give them an incentive, like saving money, you’ll be surprised. Why not try some?

5.) “Thou Shalt Not Steal” Applies to the Government Also

A lot of people who would never walk into their neighbor’s house and steal something, nevertheless think nothing of lobbying the government to take away another person’s property rights. Ultimately, property rights and personal rights are the same thing. One cannot be preserved if the other is violated.

It never hurts to remind ourselves of the nation’s founding principles. We all like open space, nice views and beautiful surroundings but sometimes we have to remember that things we might like belong to others. People sacrifice to own real estate.

Consider this as we head down the path toward controlling everything we see: How long before someone else claims a right to what you own because they feel the environment would be benefited from it? It is our suggestion that the maximum amount of flexibility and encouragement be given to the landowners who have maintained their property until this time in its natural state. They shouldn’t be beaten up and robbed, they should be thanked.

Meeting on Stream Rules Gets Heated

The Lake George Park Commission had their only public meeting dedicated to receiving public comments on their proposed stream corridor rules yesterday and it got quite heated.

The rules as written do not address the main cause of lake pollution; road salt. These are from my written comments:

“The proposed regulations don’t accomplish what they set out to accomplish in so far as they exempt State, County and Town highway crews from cutting drainage ditches and clearing surface vegetation along their highway right of ways. Washington County Route 6 has a steep grade down the mountain until it reaches Huletts Landing.”

“During the summer of 2008 and in previous years, Washington County cut drainage ditches from their highway rights of way over our property directly into Fairy Creek. Their rationale was that this helped drainage along County Route 6. In doing so, all salt and petroleum runoff from the road, which studies show are very damaging to the lake, now go directly into Fairy Creek which in turn flows into Lake George. The Washington County highway workman in charge of this job in 2008 stated that the Lake George Park Commission had no jurisdiction over Washington County or any governmental entity and that the County was free to cut drainage ditches into any stream they wanted to. The proposed regulations do nothing to address this and place an unfair burden on private property owners. The proposed regulations, with a loophole this large, given the extent of public roads in the Lake George basin, are inequitable to private landowners and entirely negates the intent of the proposed regulations.”

What can we do? What must we do? We will release our ideas for improving water quality in Lake George tomorrow. Unlike these proposed rules, our ideas should gather support from all sides.

All Environmentalists Are NOT The Same


Growing up we had a dog named Freckles who was a wonderful dog in all regards. He was loyal and friendly and just a great dog. At our home in NJ we kept him in our backyard and he was always on a chain where he could roam around half the backyard. Well we had a neighbor kid who would cut through our yard on the way home. He was the type of kid who had no friends and no one liked. As he went through the yard he would throw small stones at Freckles and annoy the dog and then run away. He did it intentionally and was real mean spirited about it. When confronted he would run. This went on for a few months.

Well one Sunday, they had a blessing of pets on the feast of St. Francis and I took the dog down to the church and he was so happy to get blessed and have some holy water sprinkled over him. He licked everyone and I never forgot what a nice day it was with all the other people with animals, etc. If you’ve ever gone to one of these, it’s quite an experience.

Well St. Francis must have smiled on Freckles that day because the very next week the dog’s daily torture of being hit by stones ended abruptly when his chain snapped as he was being hit by stones. Freckles, who never hurt anyone in his entire life, went after that kid like a lightening bolt. I will phrase this as kindly as I can. I witnessed first hand, a dog clamp on to an ass’s ass and that put an end to the stone throwing. Even St. Francis would have smiled.

The moral of the story: when you throw stones – sometimes you get what you deserve.

You will remember that we worked almost two years with the Lake George Association to clean up the mouth of Foster Brook. This was at no cost to anyone and the LGA was going to pick up all expenses. Their representative spoke to the HLPOCA at the July 4th meeting.

When the project didn’t start in the fall. I emailed the LGA, and this was part of the response I got back.

“As per Foster Dredging- the permit has not been issued yet. The Park Commission took some time to respond, they said there was no issue with the permit application and it followed what was outlined in the Environmental Impact Statement. There has been a delay due to some comments from the Waterkeeper. DEC is addressing them and should issued later this fall. Another issue is that DEC will not allow any dredging to take place after Oct 1st. The earliest we can do it is May 1st …”

(The dates of May 1st thru Oct 1st are problematic because of the issues with increased traffic on the road and the dock being occupied but we will try to work through these also. So the Lake George Waterkeeper, has in part, (the LGA is also trying to raise the funds in a down economy) halted this project for at least one year and maybe more with their opposition.)

So I emailed the Waterkeeper at the time and asked for their objections. I never heard back but found their objections on their website and published this post.

What I ask today is that you make a distinction in your mind between environmental groups that want to help the environment and groups that are simply interested in “throwing stones.” All environment groups working in the Lake George area are not equal.

The Lake George Association is the oldest environmental organization on the Lake. They were willing to fund two projects in Huletts totaling almost $100,000 last year and worked to make it happen.

The Lake George Waterkeeper likes to object to projects but when asked what projects it is in favor of, they refuse to respond. They have partnered with another extreme group, the Fund for Lake George, to support the new stream corridor regulations.

I wrote a letter to the Post Star this week where I attempted to point out the radical nature of these two groups. You should know what these groups are all about and what they are advocating. To read my letter click here.

It was only after my letter ran in the Post Star this week that I heard from the Waterkeeper. He finally told me that he will respond to my email from about four months ago. I hope he will go further. I hope he will begin to work with us and the LGA for the good of the community and cease his objections to the Foster Brook project that the LGA is willing and attempting to fund. Until we hear otherwise, I ask that you do not support the FUND for Lake George or the Waterkeeper.

If you want to support an environmental group that is interested in accomplishing something, the Lake George Association is the better choice.

Now There Are 4

We can now confirm that 4 towns around the lake have officially passed resolutions against the proposed stream corridor regulations that the LGPC is proposing.

The town boards of Lake George, Warrensburg and Hague all voted last week to officially oppose the proposed stream corridor regulations. The Town of Bolton Landing passed a similar resolution the week before. On Wednesday, the Warrensburg Town Board voted unanimously against the setback rules, following Tuesday’s vote in Hague’s and the Lake George Town Board’s “No” vote on Monday.

Why is this? Because the rules are extreme and have no common-sense exemptions. Here is a link to a previous post on how they might impact the golf course.

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See What Former Supervisor, Joe Rota, is Doing

Today’s Post Star has an interesting story about a project which former Town Supervisor, Joe Rota, is pursuing.

Can You Hear Me Now? – I’m in Lake George Village

Somehow, I missed this press release from Verizon wireless which came out about a month ago, where they announced they had completed a cell phone tower/receiver in Lake George Village. This will help with cell phone calls from the village, parts of southern Lake George, and the Northway.

Lake George Association Starts “Don’t Trash the Ice”

The Lake George Association has started a new public service campaign aimed at winter enthusiasts. The Lake George Association is the oldest environmental organization dedicated to protecting Lake George.

School Enrollment Continues to Plummet – Why No Reduction in Taxes?

The Post Star has a good article on school enrollment in the area. This sentence caught my attention: “Ticonderoga has 960 students, and 88 come from Hague. The high value of property in Hague, the result of homes on Lake George, has its residents paying for half of the school district’s $16 million budget.” Sound familiar?

Readers of the Current may not know, that during the vote about the expansion of the Whitehall school a few years ago, the Whitehall school when asked to release the number of students enrolled by town released the information by zip code. Many Dresden and Clemons residents have Whitehall zip codes. This made it impossible to figure out the number of Dresden school children as a percentage of the total. The Whitehall District knows this number but my guess is that our proportion is even worse than Hague/Ticonderga. Sadly, Hague/Ticonderoga can at least get their number. We just know this …..

They’ll Take Your Land & Not Pay Their Taxes

This may seem like a strange headline but here is a press release we received from the Lake George Property Owner’s Group, where they call the proposed stream corridor regulations being considered by the Lake George Park Commission a confiscation of private property. Many of their arguments are valid and worthy of discussion.

Additionally, here are two links from the Adirondack Journal and the Times of Ti to stories about the Governor’s proposal to alter the payment of real estate taxes on state forest preserve land.

These stories may combine to make a funny headline but they should be taken very seriously. If they both come to pass in their present form, they will cause property taxes to explode.